good evening. good evening, fellow travellers . blithe fellow travellers. blithe spirits. it's great to have you. welcome. welcome to the neil oliver show on gb news tv, onune oliver show on gb news tv, online and on radio. this week i will be taking an in—depth look at the ongoing war in ukraine. i'll be joined by retired us army colonel douglas mcgregor for his insights. i'll be asking him, perhaps more than anything else, when will it all end .7 i'll else, when will it all end.7 i'll also be else, when will it all end? i'll also be joined by molly kingsley from us for them to talk about the world health organisation , the world health organisation, specifically, the apparent climbdown on planned changes to their pandemic preparedness treaty, plus plenty of discussion with my panellist for this evening, broadcaster and journalist ingrid tarrant. but first, the all important update on the latest news headlines.

>> good evening, i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. shadow health secretary wes streeting says doctor dan poulter has not been offered a peerage to defect from the tory party to labour. mr streeting is defending doctor poulters decision, saying it shows that only sir keir starmer can be trusted with the nhs. doctor. poulter says he'll sit on the labour benches until the next general election and then stand down. he comes just days before local elections across england and wales , where former england and wales, where former immigration minister robert jenrick is calling for a cap on net migration, saying it's the only way to restore voters trust. jenrick says he wants a far more restrictive system, allowing less than 100,000 people a year. writing in the sunday telegraph , he said the sunday telegraph, he said the government's recently passed rwanda bill will join the graveyard of policies that failed to tackle illegal migration, and the alba party has been placed on an election

footing as motions of no confidence in scotland's first minister make a general election there look increasingly likely. they're only mspy ash regan hasn't confirmed if she'll support humza yousaf, but it's thought that her vote could be crucial . mr yousaf thought that her vote could be crucial. mr yousaf is asking leaders of rival parties to find common ground ahead of that vote. well, for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen right now, or go to gb news common alerts. now let's get straight back to . now let's get straight back to. neil oliver. >> the war mongers have their tails up . that much is obvious. tails up. that much is obvious. a person must wonder what gods it is. they worship gods that demand blood sacrifice on such a scale, ukraine is not quite

sacrificing its children yet. but given the youthful faces of some of those en route to the fighting front, it's a close run thing. the death toll in ukraine is already estimated by western intelligence agencies at half a million souls, a scale of loss of human life in conflict not seen in europe since world war two. and still the warmongers have not yet drunk their fill in the united states congress last week, in the house of the american people on sacred ground , if you will. members were on their feet to celebrate their decision to send another 60 odd billion dollars to that charnel house, half a million human beings cold in the clay, $60 billion. we've learned to bandy these numbers around like we understand them, like we can meaningfully visualise them. it would take a person six days of non—stop counting day and night, to reach half a million to count, as high as 1 to reach half a million to count, as high as1 billion count, as high as 1 billion would take a person 32 years in

this way. are we losing touch with meaning, including the meaning and more importantly, the value of every human life they are in congress in that place, sacred to patriots, elected representatives waved ukrainian flags, a tide of blue and yellow to show how pleased they were with their cash cow , a they were with their cash cow, a gift that keeps on giving. new jersey representative bill pascrell jr wore a flag as a cape around his shoulders to describe that flag waving as a breach of protocol in that place is, to put it mildly, viewed from the outside , it looked like from the outside, it looked like mockery. mockery of all that's decent . they were so happy those decent. they were so happy those elected representatives and for reasons that make sense to warmongers, those reasons being dollars and cents, just like the hundreds of billions of dollars already laundered through the tortured turf of ukraine, the bulk of the latest unimaginable sum will end up where it began. in the us, what goes around comes around all the way back to

the bank accounts of the component parts of the intelligence military complex. the same is true of the pounds and euros and the rest of the currencies flowing like water through that benighted place, made to look like it's defending democracy, when in truth, it has only ever been about enriching those who peddle and promote war for a living. those sums leave those countries via the front door and return via the back door and return via the back door. door and return via the back door . on another note, i'm loath door. on another note, i'm loath to ponder what they call little man syndrome, but if the little cap fits, i look at the leaders of europe, rishi sunak olaf scholz of germany, emmanuel macron of france, vladimir zelenskyy of ukraine, all of them excited by thoughts of war fought by other men's sons and daughters and noticed they all fit the bill of those exhibiting the napoleon complex, prime miniatures and petty presidents , miniatures and petty presidents, the lot of them. but all of them evidently have something to prove. and you know that for sure, because the narrative is shifting under our feet,

inexorably pulled by the lure of filthy lucre, unelected, surely unelectable british foreign secretary david cameron has already described the russia—ukraine war as good value for money, not least because it's the blood of other nations that's being spilled . earlier that's being spilled. earlier this month, he stood alongside fellow war monger anthony blinken, us secretary of state, and said, quote, i argue that it is extremely good value for money for the united states and for others. half of russia's prewar military equipment has been destroyed without the loss of a single american life. well, that's all right, then. just dead ukrainian and dead russians. war is a racket, remember said that most decorated of us marines, maverick major general smedley butler, after 34 years in the belly of the beast war, is a racket. it always has been, he said. it's possibly the oldest , said. it's possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious . the

surely the most vicious. the long ago line about defending democracy in ukraine never held water for anyone with an inch of brain tissue above the shirt collar , but it's all but collar, but it's all but forgotten, even by the career dafties now , value for money has dafties now, value for money has been the name of the game , been the name of the game, moving the other team's pieces on the board, collecting £200. as we say when we play monopoly , as we say when we play monopoly, every time they pass, go, go to war. that is only it's a great deal more than £200 a time. so many billions made already, but discernible now is the need felt by the warmongers for a bolder, bloodier approach . yet foreign bloodier approach. yet foreign affairs and american magazine about international relations and us foreign policy, published by the council on foreign relations, carried a piece this month headlined europe but not nato, should send troops to ukraine. quote, a taboo has been broken in europe. only a few months ago, it would have been inconceivable for european leaders to propose sending european troops to ukraine. but on february 26th, french president emmanuel macron said

the deployment of european forces to ukraine could not be ruled out. since then, other european officials have joined the chorus . the finnish defence the chorus. the finnish defence minister and polish foreign minister and polish foreign minister have both suggested that their country's forces could end up in ukraine. end quote. most recently, the excited priapic talk from those homunculi of war in their platform shoes and tiny, tiny suits has been about a european army to join the fight. last week in warsaw , sunak said he week in warsaw, sunak said he was putting the british defence industry on a war footing. he pledged £10 billion that his wife's family certainly has, but that we, the british taxpaying citizens, do not. for additional spending on munitions for ukraine. quote we will put the uk's own defence industry on a war footing . one of the central war footing. one of the central lessons of the war in ukraine is that we need deeper stockpiles of munitions, and for industry to be able to replenish them more quickly, end quote. he said that at a press conference alongside nato secretary general

jens stoltenberg. perhaps it won't be long before american , won't be long before american, british, french and german pieces are brought out of the box ready for being smashed to pieces in that place where it's allegedly generous lines of marching powder for those at the top and murderous battle lines for the rank and file . are you for the rank and file. are you angry yet? are your teeth grinding with the knowledge none of us, not here in the uk, not in the us, not our neighbours in europe were asked about any of this, far less for our blessing. for all that has been shipped abroad to the meat grinder. the spilled blood is everywhere. so to the rotting corpses from which it ran un human rights chief volker turk was quoted last week saying he was horrified by reports of mass graves of hundreds of bodies at two of gaza's largest hospitals, israel troops withdrew from the nasa hospital complex and can younis and palestinian civil defence teams moved in. the report i read said 310 bodies had been exhumed. quote. we feel

the need to raise the alarm because clearly there have been multiple bodies discovered , said multiple bodies discovered, said ravina shamdasani, spokesperson for the un high commissioner for human rights. she said the bodies were buried deep, covered over with waste that among the dead were old people, women, those with wounds , some stripped those with wounds, some stripped and with their hands bound behind their backs. and with their hands bound behind their backs . everyone and with their hands bound behind their backs. everyone is blaming everyone else for the horror, but the dead are the dead. war's a racket. the oldest , the most profitable and most vicious. and there's no sign of its spread abating. iran and israel have been swapping ordnance, each backed by nuclear powers . are you angry yet? do powers. are you angry yet? do you remember asking for any of this? it's no wonder silence is descending. all over, questions and dissent throttled by one so—called government after another. in the same week , another. in the same week, congress wrote that check for 60 odd billion dollars. president joe biden signed off on a piece of legislation numbered 702, part of the fisa act. massively

expanding the power of the us states, intelligence agencies to spy states, intelligence agencies to spy on american citizens. biden also made plain his intention to deny 170 million of his fellow americans access to tiktok videos, awarding his administration the right to ban the app in the us unless its chinese owner, bytedance, agrees to sell it to a us corporate. former us presidential hopeful ron paul, father of senator rand paul ron paul, father of senator rand paul, said in response when future historians go searching for the final nail in the us coffin, they may well settle on the date. april 20th, 2024. on that day, congress passed legislation to fund two and a half wars hand. what's left of our privacy over to the cia, the nsa, and give the us president the power to shut down whatever part of the internet he disagrees with. the us and its allies have already sent over $300 billion to ukraine, and the country is still losing its war with russia. nobody believes another $60 billion will bring

victory from the jaws of defeat , victory from the jaws of defeat, but this additional money is meant to keep up appearances until november at the expense of americans who are forced to pay for it. and ukraine orphans who are forced to die for it. are you angry yet at other money, not only the 60 billion, but more to israel and even to taiwan. did you know we were laying foundations for war with china? are you angry that british sons and daughters may yet be sent to die in ukraine? not in defence of democracy or in pursuit of any onorable goal, but to keep the money flowing into the same bank accounts, to keep the sacrifice. blood flowing across the altars dedicated to the gods of war. here's the thing while the powerful keepers distracted with forever war, war for no gain except financial gain, they're also busily making plans to utterly transform our ways of life. the world health organisation last week appeared to water down its own proposed changes to its pandemic treaty. but if experience has taught us anything, it's that it's not what they say that matters . it's

what they say that matters. it's what they say that matters. it's what they say that matters. it's what they actually do, what they actually intend . i say, let's actually intend. i say, let's watch whether we will have homes to call our own, what we can eat, whether we can travel and how, whether we can ever again hold our own money in our own hands and decide how to spend it, how crops are grown, how and if we can heat our houses. the war mongers are making war, make no mistake, and the real enemy they have in their sights is us and our ways of life . they want and our ways of life. they want to reduce carbon. i say that ultimately we are the carbon. they want to reduce . they want to reduce. >> yes, that was brilliant. oh, brilliant. brilliant you always nail it, neil. but it's just you nail it, neil. but it's just you nail it. neil. are democracy. >> we were told the war in ukraine was about defending democracy. but even our, well, unelected representatives like foreign secretary david cameron are talking about war as an investment, pointing out to potential supporters that there's money to be made . is there's money to be made. is that not morally bankrupt? yes.

>> completely going . just let me >> completely going. just let me start a little bit with the sort of, you know, it's in the name of, you know, it's in the name of democracy, this war with ukraine. just splitting hairs here. we didn't for vote that war. so we it wasn't democratically approved from the very beginning. but going back to your question about, david cameron, he's saying it's profitable. it's morally not. it's morally bankrupt, as you say. but when you look at the pound shillings and pence, the dollar signs and everything, it is hugely profitable . all the is hugely profitable. all the arms. america is the largest exporter of arms, and ukraine is the fourth largest importer. you know, it's not rocket science to work out sort of how convenient that is. we are of course, and always have been, america's puppets. so or, you know, little poodle things. so that plays into all of that. so we're always going to agree with what they do. >> but what chokes me is we all

well , anyone with any sense >> but what chokes me is we all well, anyone with any sense can work out that there's money to be made in war was a racket, as i quoted smedley butler saying . i quoted smedley butler saying. but it's the fact that they're now confident our representatives of seeing as much , you know, all the much, you know, all the highfalutin talk about, you know, preserving democracy. you're fighting the good fight. you're fighting the good fight. you know , fighting on the you know, fighting on the beaches and on the landing grounds. all of that's just never mind about any of that and never mind about any of that and never mind about you, little people. >> but it's not now. it's a brainwashing because we can't see and we don't get where it's going. apart from the fact that people do see is that this is a war that can never won. be this ukraine will never be, victorious in this. and all it's going to do is just going to provoke , something larger and provoke, something larger and greater. you're prodding the bear and actually i get, putin in stance. >> i totally do, but once, once you internalise or once you invite the people to accept that it's a war for profit and a war

for money, then why would you end the war? >> it'd be like curing a sick patient when you can continue to make money from prescribing them expensive medicines, why would you bring? why would you bring to an end a war that's earning money? and when that is being touted as as, you know, the reason for the war, because they're not putting it the way that you've just put it. >> that's why the way you've put it is absolute common sense. why? what is the point? but the way they package it, they it's kind of playing into people just trusting. still trusting the government, still trusting our leaders , trusting david cameron leaders, trusting david cameron from the days that he was a prime minister. now he's they're an ambassador. he's so well dressed. he's so well spoken. he must be right. it's you've packaged it the right way and then people would question you 90, then people would question you go, no, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever either. >> it makes me feel unclean , >> it makes me feel unclean, unclean, unsavoury. >> and yes, it taints , it just >> and yes, it taints, it just taints everything. >> it taints, we have to go to a

break now and after that break, i will be joined by former army colonel, douglas mcgregor to ask him how much longer the war in ukraine can possibly continue , ukraine can possibly continue, regardless of profits. you're watching the neil oliver show on gb news. please don't go away

welcome back to the neil oliver show. the new $61 billion us aid package for ukraine, approved by congress on the 23rd of april, will improve , we are told, will improve, we are told, ukraine's battlefield position allowing stocks of ammunition from us bases in poland and germany to be shipped quickly to existing ukrainian forces and newly mobilised troops to be equipped. but what does it really signal to the world? joining me now is retired us, colonel douglas macgregor. thank you for joining colonel douglas macgregor. thank you forjoining us. colonel

>> happy to be here. >> happy to be here. >> colonel , >> happy to be here. >> colonel, what did you make of the scenes in the house? >> as the ukrainian flags were waved in apparent celebration of signing the check to ukraine yet again ? again? >> well, i don't think they were really waving flags for ukraine. they were expressing their gratitude to donors who will reward them for voting for this terrible bill, probably 60 to 70% of the cash will never reach ukraine. it'll end up being circulated through the gi , circulated through the gi, laundering machine here in washington that moves funds to the department of defence from the department of defence from the department of defence from the department of defence to military industrial production , military industrial production, to clients, donors, and then eventually parts of it end up back on the hill in people's re—election funds. so you have to understand that most of this isn't going to have any impact whatsoever on the battlefield in ukraine. of course, ukrainians are running out of soldiers at

this point. they're losing about 500 to 800 ukrainian soldiers a day. and the russian offensive hasn't really begun yet. so the place is nearing collapse. but i guess the point is to try and conceal from the american public and from the rest of the world. yet to gain the immense failure of this policy of proxy war with russia and ukraine, how did we get to this point? >> i mean, i think, you know, those of us that are old enough and ugly enough, you know, we've realised that there's, you know, there's money to be made in a time of war, but that it's so, it's so naked now, you know, that it's being pushed now almost as the point of the war in ukraine. how have we, you know, evolved ? and if that's the know, evolved? and if that's the right word to such a morally bankrupt state of affairs ? bankrupt state of affairs? >> right. well, i can't speak for, what the population or the electorate is like in great britain . but here electorate is like in great britain. but here in the electorate is like in great britain . but here in the united britain. but here in the united states, i think large numbers of americans have been very

complacent. and by complacency, i mean haven't taken much interest in foreign and defence policy. the average american thinks that if you spend a dollar on defence, you get a dollar on defence, you get a dollar of, national security at the other end of the process, that, of course, is nonsense. and they don't have a real feel for how many billions of dollars are wasted on a daily basis by the department of defence or for that matter, by the government . that matter, by the government. and americans are beginning to figure out that they have no representation in washington, that the parties are irrelevant. we are supposedly governed at the behest of two parties, but in truth, we have one party. it's called the uni party, which is why there were only 21 republicans who refused to support the bill. so there is no representation. americans are beginning to figure it out, but there are still americans who think that the coming election could change something. and you would think by now they would have figured out that it doesn't make much difference who you

vote for. you get the same bad outcome . outcome. >> it feels as though finally, the emperor in the form of the us, is being exposed as wearing no clothes. we were. we've always we've always been sold. this idea of the invincibility of the of the us war machine . of the of the us war machine. and clearly the way events have unfolded in ukraine, it must be making it clear even to the most patriotic american, that those days are over. >> no, i don't think so, i think that , there's a great deal of that, there's a great deal of effort made in washington, dc to create the illusion that we are still the great power of 1990 and 91. now there are plenty of intelligent americans who can look around inside our country and realise that the breakdown in the rule of law, the massive invasion of foreigners that no one invited and no one wants that , that's evidence for a

that, that's evidence for a collapse inside the country. they can see what's happening on the border, so that if you ask the border, so that if you ask the average american, what's your top priority? what do you want to happen immediately? number one is close the border and restore the rule of law. foreign and defence policy is frankly way down the list. it always has been. if you go back through the 20th century and look at polling data from, say, 1910 right up through the 1990s, americans were almost always at least 60 to 70% opposed to the use of american military power overseas, especially interventions designed to export our culture and way of life at gunpoint . so our culture and way of life at gunpoint. so that's our culture and way of life at gunpoint . so that's never been gunpoint. so that's never been popular. but americans have entrusted the funding and decision making to people they thought represented them. now it's becoming increasingly clear , though not entirely yet, that that's not the case. >> earlier in the show, colonel, i mentioned , the british foreign

i mentioned, the british foreign secretary, david cameron , secretary, david cameron, speaking relatively recently about the war in ukraine being great value for money, which is a form of words and an attitude that troubles me profoundly. i'll just play. i'll just play the clip. and i'd like to hear your reaction to the tone that it is right to stop putin's aggression. >> we know it's right for our own militaries and our own production bases to ramp up production bases to ramp up production , not just for production, not just for ukraine, but for our own stocks. and as tony said, so many of the jobs created will be jobs created here in the united states. and indeed, when we're deaung states. and indeed, when we're dealing with our own weapon systems, jobs in the uk . systems, jobs in the uk. >> so what is value for money? what is an investment for those who seek to make money? how did we get here? well it goes back to the narrative, who are the people that had spun this narrative that one day, president putin woke up in the kremlin, had decided that it was

a great idea to attack ukraine. that's a lot of nonsense. we've been working certainly for the last ten. some people would argue for the last 20 years to provoke the russians, to push them into doing exactly what they did, and then they said, well, this was always part of the plan. well, if it was part of the plan, the russian army that first entered ukraine was quite small for the task it had been assigned, and that task was not to go very far, but to try and signal to the west to nato, that they were quite serious about not tolerating a threat in ukraine directed at russia. well, when that didn't work, and attempts to negotiate and negotiate with us failed, they built this enormous force. they now have arguably the best, largest, most lethal, battle tested battle hardened ground and air force in the .

world. >> welcome back to the neil oliver show, the next topic is the world health organisation. specifically, the apparent climbdown in recent days when it comes to their plans for a pandemic preparedness treaty . to pandemic preparedness treaty. to hear more about it, we go to molly . molly, are you there? molly. molly, are you there? >> i am here. >> i am here. >> oh, lovely to see you. >> oh, lovely to see you. >> you too . >> you too. >> you too. >> be honest, molly. i know what this sounds like. are you persuaded that the mighty world health organisation have actually backed down, or are they just pulling back to think again , i look, i don't know what again, i look, i don't know what the intention is. i don't think we can impute any particular intention. what we see is what is in front of us. and i would make two key points here. the first is that on any measure,

you know, reading from a legal perspective , the new draft perspective, the new draft represents a really significant climb down, on a number of key issues that i know . neal, you issues that i know. neal, you and i have talked about many, many times. but, you know, there were probably 6 or 7 really egregious , examples of overreach egregious, examples of overreach by the world health organisation. and in pretty much every case, they have either been deleted or watered down entirely. so from that point of view, i think this should be treated as, you know, something of a victory. however, it's important to remember that these, amendments to the international health regulations were only ever intended to strengthen an existing health architecture so that underlying health architecture remains. it will still be strengthened to an extent , just not as, not as to, extent, just not as, not as to, you know, the extent to which the world health organisation were proposing a year, a year

and a half ago. and of course, all the underlying problems. and there are many and we've talked about this, you know, many times before, haven't we, neal? but, you know, all the underlying problems with the world health organisation, it's very conflicted funding status. it's, you know, just ineptitude during covid and all of those issues remain. >> what about though a lot of the problem, a lot of the anxiety for people that you people at me was this, going from non—binding to something that certainly seemed to be binding , that member states were binding, that member states were going to surrender national sovereignty and hand over wholesale decision making powers to an unelected body? is that is that still there , or is that that still there, or is that out? >> that is out. and let me just take you through the kind of key details, because the devil is in the detail and you know, i think there's been a lot of confusion about this on social media in the last few days. so, you know,

let's be clear, that provision that was found in a new article, 13 a it would have turned the who's ability to make advisory recommendations only into effectively binding mandate, that would require the states to comply. and there was a whole compliance architecture built around that, that the compliance architecture is still there. but crucially, the who's recommendation will remain just that. from a legal point of view . now, of course, some commentators have pointed out that in practical terms, some states, particularly states in less developed countries, may consider themselves bound to comply with the who's recommendations anyway. and i think that is a fair point. and the other just touch on two other points that i think are really material climbdowns by the who, one is, you know, another provision that we're all deeply shocked by really was in the draft that was released a year and a half ago, a reference to the primacy of dignity, human

rights and fundamental freedoms was deleted. i mean, it was it was deleted. i mean, it was it was literally struck out. and that deletion has been dropped. so, you know , dignity, human so, you know, dignity, human rights and freedom still prevail by the looks of it. and then the other thing that i think is very significant is in the original draft, the who had, you know, attempted to claim for itself powers as a global censorship agency and to give itself, you know, vast, vast surveillance and censorship powers. and they have largely not entirely, but they have largely been dropped . they have largely been dropped. >> why, molly, wasn't that a response from anyone, really ? response from anyone, really? certainly our government saying, who do you think you are? i could not believe that an unelected body, broadly funded . unelected body, broadly funded. by unelected body, broadly funded. by bill and melinda gates and

all of the rest of it, was suggesting taking for itself this kind of decision making power, this kind of sovereignty. and back here there was a deafening silence, except from except from those of us who said, just a cotton picking minute . minute. >> i mean, it was incredible. and i think, you know, like you, neal and i think, you know, like you, neal, when i first read those documents, you know, i'm a lawyer. and we had obviously a team of lawyers looking at it. we just couldn't believe it. they were egregious documents of this hype that you almost had to rub your eyes in disbelief to see. and i think it speaks. it leaves massive questions, you know, the perhaps the immediate threat has subsided a bit. of course, it's really important to state this is only an interim draft. so the final meetings on this draft are still going on. so, you know, let's see how much of it sticks, assuming it stays as it is. some of the most egregious provisions have been dropped. sure. but i think the intent of the who and in particular, its director general, tedros, you know, it

just speaks to a lack of transparency, accountability. and i think some of us would suggest that they have behaved in a wholly duplicitous way. it's been it's been quite horrifying to watch , molly, i'm horrifying to watch, molly, i'm just going to pause to read a statement from the world health organisation, just to keep the playing field level, pandemics and large scale outbreaks can claim millions of lives, disrupt societies and devastate economies. who's health emergencies program is working with member states to help countries prepare for large scale outbreaks and pandemics through the asia pacific strategy for emerging diseases and public health emergencies. core capacity is required by the international health regulations, or ihr , are being regulations, or ihr, are being advanced, providing an important foundation for pandemic preparedness . this is preparedness. this is complemented by efforts to strengthen disease specific systems and capacities, including for vaccines, pharmaceuticals and other public health interventions. countries are also encouraged to engage the whole of society for effective pandemic preparedness

and response, as the next pandemic is most likely to be caused by influenza , the disease caused by influenza, the disease continues to be the priority pubuc continues to be the priority public health threat in the region, which continues to work with member states to strengthen prevention , surveillance, and prevention, surveillance, and response capacities for seasonal and zoonotic influenza. with pandemic potential goodness me. ingrid. pandemic potential goodness me. ingnd.hey pandemic potential goodness me. ingrid. hey how did you respond when news reached you? whenever it did, of what the who. had in mind when it came to taking away our sovereignty and making it their own, well, immediate only it was your. >> they are not doing anything in our best interest at all. it's all about them. it is a mass control. there is no accountability . there isn't the accountability. there isn't the transparency that we need. i don't trust them one little bit, and i just wish that we had our own , we do have our own health own, we do have our own health system here, and we just stick to that because, as you say, or , to that because, as you say, or, it was you that said, i can't

remember it was you or molly bill gates and the foundation, melinda bill gates foundation , melinda bill gates foundation, everything. people like that, you know, the ones with a lot of money are not going to name other names just in case. but we do know that bill and melinda gates are in there, it all, you know, call me a conspiracy theory. i don't think i am. it plays all into that. this is all about controlling absolutely everything. and if you don't comply and it starts with the medicine , the vaccine, then medicine, the vaccine, then you're going to do the lockdown. you'll be restricted . you won't you'll be restricted. you won't be able to travel, you won't be able to do this. and all your freedoms and liberties will be taken away. so it stinks. >> sinister again, to quote again, colonel douglas macgregor on another topic that, believe it or not, is the first hour of the neil oliver show. but we will be continuing this very important discussion as well as bringing you much more comment and content. keep watching by going to gb news.

com welcome back to the neil oliver show. final item tonight is about the discovery. the chance discovery of a human jawbone in a kitchen floor tile. and if that sounds unbelievable and incredible , you're probably incredible, you're probably right. i think a lot about the present condition we find ourselves in. we're so preoccupied , so anxious. we preoccupied, so anxious. we worry about everything around us. but every now and again you have to pause and contemplate . have to pause and contemplate. in a million years time, what will any of this matter and to be confronted with the possibility that all might survive of as if we're very lucky in a million years time is the is the chance discovery of a little bit of us. i remember reading some years ago that the process of fossilisation is so unlikely that if the population of the united states of america but 340 million people, if they

were all to die in the same moment, you would expect to find fossils realised perhaps one quarter of one of those bodies so unlikely that anything of any of us will ever see the light of day again after we are gone. so to be confronted with the image of a human jawbone in a million year old piece of stone, well, it fairly reset my clock for me. my it fairly reset my clock for me. my next guest tonight , doctor my next guest tonight, doctor angquue my next guest tonight, doctor angelique corthals, says that it probably belonged to some or other version of humanity . other version of humanity. perhaps an extinct hominin like homo erectus or homo neanderthalensis, which would make it anywhere between tens of thousands and maybe 1 or 2 million years old. she joins me now , good evening, doctor . now, good evening, doctor. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> first of all, angelique, do you think this is real? is it truly what it seems to be, yes,

absolutely. i mean, it's unusual. it's not completely out of the realm of possibility because such finds have been made. made before. but it's definitely an unusual find . definitely an unusual find. >> can you explain how it might have come to be where it is now? you know, i've. i've teed this up you know, i've. i've teed this ”p by you know, i've. i've teed this up by saying it's in a kitchen floor tile, but how could that possibly have happened? >> right. well so the travertine stone is actually very prized for, for decoration , and for, for decoration, and especially for, for floors , in especially for, for floors, in fact, it's, it is actually pnzed fact, it's, it is actually prized because embedded in a lot of that stone are fossils. now, most of the fossils that we find are impressions of, of plants or impressions of invertebrate bits. so it's fairly unusual to

see a vertebrate in, in particularly an hominin , fossil particularly an hominin, fossil embedded in the travertine stone. but there there's actually a museum in los angeles, the getty museum, that pnzed angeles, the getty museum, that prized that particular stone just for its fossils so that the pubuc just for its fossils so that the public can see the fossil, in embedded in the walls that are decorated with it. >> and when you as an expert , >> and when you as an expert, consider its morphology, when you examine it, such as you can by looking at images, what kind of humanity might it represent? what kind of hominin ? what kind of hominin? >> all right. so you know, it's a very difficult because the images that i've seen are only the images that have been circulating into the press, but as far as i can tell, the angle of the jaw, that is the, the spread of , of, of the jaw, or

spread of, of, of the jaw, or the width of the jaw seems to indicate that it is not a fully formed, homo sapiens and therefore for it could be, our early ancestors with, such as homo erectus , not not entirely homo erectus, not not entirely sure they're not, neanderthals, but, the, homo heidelberg sciences, which is harder to say , can also be a very good, a good candidate. the not just because of the width , but also because of the width, but also because of the width, but also because of the robustness of the, of the jaw itself . the, of the jaw itself. >> what would have been the terrain on, let's say, that would have been inhabited by homo heidelbergensis or homo erectus ? what kind of world can erectus? what kind of world can we place such individuals in our

mind's eye? what kind of world, you have to imagine a world that's , very much like, you that's, very much like, you know, one of the big national parks, in, in, in the united states. >> so, while . all right, much >> so, while. all right, much more forested than than we have now, and depending on where the stone, i believe the stone comes from turkey , so in that respect, from turkey, so in that respect, you have to imagine the great powers, power sources of , or at powers, power sources of, or at least the great, supervolcano of , of yellowstone. not because of the volcano part , but actually the volcano part, but actually because of the geyser part , because of the geyser part, which produces the kind of phenomenon that will eventually transform an area into

travertine. stone. >> so travertine. am i right in thinking it's a kind of limestone? something that's laid down as thin layers of sediment? the over extended periods of geological time, you know, become thick layers of rock? >> that is correct. and that's usually actually produced by geyser like or spring like, areas where the water comes out to the surface of, of the ground and the co2 , that maintain the, and the co2, that maintain the, the limestone , calcified, sorry, the limestone, calcified, sorry, did dissolved into the water, becomes calcified and the co2 evaporates. the limestone re calcifies and forms this hard surface. and that's actually something that you find a lot, particularly a lot in, in turkey, where this specimen is seems to be coming from , as well

seems to be coming from, as well as regions of germany, which have also, actually produced, other hominin fossils . other hominin fossils. >> ingrid tarrant i mean, these are these are quite complicated chemical and geological processes that the doctor's describing there, but just in simple terms, to be confronted there with an image of a million year old, perhaps . yeah. year old, perhaps. yeah. ancestor, you know, on your kitchen floor, a relative of ours that after a million years becomes part of a kitchen floor. how do you how do you begin to contemplate that? >> honestly, it is mind boggling. and the chances of it being there and actually so almost complete , you know, that almost complete, you know, that my immediate thought, isn't it so dreadful ? i was thinking, so dreadful? i was thinking, when we go , you know. yes, it when we go, you know. yes, it wouldn't it be nice a million years later that somebody comes across us, but none of us would probably have any teeth. it will just be a jaw bone, because our

teeth are so rotten, because they had good diets in those days. that was my first thought. i think it's absolutely i think it's very exciting. >> it resets the clock, doesn't it? you know, when you're made to contemplate the fact that a million years ago there were people of a sort, not our species, but aren't cousins of humanity? yeah up and walking about and, well, in this case, in the territory we know as kind of going back to all the darwin theories and everything, it's fascinating. >> it just it ignites all those thoughts. the darwinism and, neanderthal man, homo sapiens and all that sort of thing, you know, and i sort of like to see the stages of the ape to man, you know, it's super exciting, but it has got. i was reading about it and it's quite long, which suggests that sort of like it was really very early , you it was really very early, you know, just at that cusp. >> yes, doctor. >> yes, doctor. >> angelique . >> angelique. >> angelique. >> yes. >> yes. >> you know, you're a scientist and you're you're approaching this from a very, scientific and a very analytical, place. how

doesit a very analytical, place. how does it make you feel, though? you know, when you're when you're confronted by this particular specimen ? particular specimen? >> well, first of all, it's an incredible chance to , you know, incredible chance to, you know, it was excavated and that it was found because most of the time, this this , you know, you're not this this, you know, you're not going to find something of that calibre , in, in, in a stone that calibre, in, in, in a stone that will eventually be processed into a visible, specimen. but, and just to qualify a little bit about , you know, the rotten about, you know, the rotten teeth part that you've just mentioned, like , the reason why mentioned, like, the reason why we are getting these specimens is not, you know, it's not the reason why that specimen has its teeth and the reason why we are finding a lot of fossils with teeth of hominin is not actually because of their great diet, but, it's because they died young. but, it's because they died young . so this is a this is

young. so this is a this is something that's always been my pet peeve with, with people describing the paleo diet and things like that, as being better than others such as, you know, eat meat and rather than eating, you know, anything else, because our ancestors lived so much more healthily, that's not the case at all, they just died younger. and so the reason why we are privileged to die with rotten, rotten teeth is because we die so much older. yeah yeah, but but another, another point to, to make on this is that, we are also, you know , making are also, you know, making a discovery like this is incredibly, unusual, able to get to the point where that specimen is going to be visible and be observed by, by people most of the time , either the specimen

the time, either the specimen would be discarded without noticing that it was anything at all unusual, because of cracks, or it would be hidden in in between layers of sediments . between layers of sediments. >> wonderful stuff. doctor. thank you so much for joining >> wonderful stuff. doctor. thank you so much forjoining us to bring your expertise and to bnng to bring your expertise and to bring that specimen back to life, so to speak. but honestly, ingrid, i that you would that a person might die in in a million years would be a jawbone in a kitchen floor. i don't know, it just it just stops me in my tracks . that's all. we've got tracks. that's all. we've got time for this week. you've been watching the neil oliver show on gb news. thanks, as always, for watching . thanks forjoining me. watching. thanks forjoining me. and thank you, ingrid, for being here. >> thank you for inviting me. >> thank you for inviting me. >> i've loved a whole range there, a whole a whole range with palate cleansers in between. thank you so much. hope to see you again. and i hope to see all of you next week . see all of you next week. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb

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sunny weather. and in the sunshine it will be warmer than in recent days, up to 16 or 17 degrees held back a little bit towards the north and northwest, with those showers at 12 or 13 celsius on tuesday, we'll see further outbreaks of rain out towards the west. again, some of that could be quite hefty in nature. further east there'll be some sunshine and just 1 or 2 showers, particularly across the east and southeast of england. and again, those temperatures will be a little bit higher still could see high teens in a few spots. it does stay quite changeable. weather wise for the rest of the week, but notice those temperatures hold up to could see 19 or 20 degrees in a few spots. certainly from wednesday onwards. that's it for me. i'll see you soon. bye

>> good evening. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom . our top in the gb newsroom. our top stories this hour. the shadow health secretary says doctor dan poulter has not been offered a

peerage to defect from the tory party to labour. wes streeting is defending doctor poulter's decision, saying it shows only sir keir starmer can be trusted with the nhs . doctor. poulter with the nhs. doctor. poulter says he'll sit on the labour benches until the next general election and then stand down comes just days before local elections across england and wales. and the prime minister this morning refused to rule out a general election in july. wes streeting says doctor poulter defected to save the nhs. >> there have been millions of people, disaffected conservative voters like dan poulter out there, who can see the chaos, and the conservative party see the failure to deliver and are looking at the alternative . and looking at the alternative. and i'd ask those people to trust the doctor who's seen the conservative party up close. >> well, that's the labour view. policing minister chris philp is defending the government's handung defending the government's handling of the nhs, pointing to record levels of spending just in the last year alone, the nhs has grown by 68,000 staff and

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